Yet another Legacy Focus: Tinfins and 12-post
Today's focus on decks that rely on a 'big guy' that aren't often seen (12-post and TinFins are a bit under the radar nowadays).
12-post:
1 Forest
2 Island
4 Vesuva
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Tropical Island
4 Glimmerpost
4 Cloudpost
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
4 Primeval Titan
2 Trinket Mage
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
4 Repeal
4 Brainstorm
4 Crop Rotation
4 Show and Tell
4 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Candelabra of Tawnos
3 Expedition Map
Sideboard
4 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
This list comes from top 64 of SCG Worcester (recently).
Being a fan of blue-based tron decks (in Modern and in old Standard), I do like this deck a lot. You actually have inevitability versus any fair deck if they do not kill you quickly enough, the issue being getting enough Cloudposts in play.
Luckily, we have access to: 3 Expedition Map, 4 Primeval Titan and 2 Trinket Mages to assemble ALL THE POSTS in a fairly short time span.
We can also backdoor a Titan or Eldrazi on turn 3 via Show and Tell, although this is a much more dangerous route if our opponent happens to be OmniTell or even Reanimator or something similar.
I'm not sure what our matchups look like, but having 14 anti-combo cards in our sb sort of indicates that various types of combo decks are the worst matchup. I'm not sure Iona is the best choice (Isn't Chalice of the Void pretty good here?) since Iona relies on you assembling Show and Iona.
TinFins
1 Swamp
4 Marsh Flats
4 Polluted Delta
1 Scrubland
1 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
2 Children of Korlis
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Griselbrand
2 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Ritual
4 Entomb
3 Goryo's Vengeance
4 Shallow Grave
1 Silence
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
1 Reanimate
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Thoughtseize
Sideboard
2 Pithing Needle
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
1 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Pull from Eternity
2 Silence
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Massacre
This particular 'TinFins' list is from 3/3/2013 (SCG Las Vegas) played by Jacob 'Koby' Kory.
To the legacy neophyte, it's not 100% clear what this deck does.
Step 1: Get Griselbrand into the graveyard.
Step 2: Cast Shallow Grave, Goryo's Vengeance or Reanimate on Griselbrand.
Step 3: Draw 7, hopefully into Rituals/Petals/Chrome Moxen or a Children of Korlis. Use cantrips if necessary to continue, until you eventually find the Tendrils of Agony to kill them.
Amusingly, you can wipe your oppt's board on t3 or so if necessary with Entomb + Goryo's vengeance or Shallow Grave by Entombing for Emrakul and with the trigger on the stack, you cast Vengeance or SG attacking them and wiping their board.
You can also generate an arbitrarily large amount of storm if necessary by continually Entombing for Emrakul to shuffle your graveyard in (which I find particularly amusing since I do enjoy a good 'going infinite').
Some tricks for playing around hate:
Shallow Grave can play around 1 Deathrite Shaman pretty well (it reads: Return the top creature card of your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature gains haste until end of turn. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. ? MI-R,Reserved,Vin,Leg,Cla,MIBC).
So you let the Deathrite activation resolve, and Entomb again with the Shallow Grave on the stack.
Second, if you have enough mana, you can Goryo's Vengeance, watch them try to Deathrite it, then Goryo's again in response.
Honestly, the mtgsource thread has a metric ton of information on the deck for those of you who are interested in it which can be found here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?24104-TinFins-3-Return-of-the-Onion-Burst
12-post:
1 Forest
2 Island
4 Vesuva
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Tropical Island
4 Glimmerpost
4 Cloudpost
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
4 Primeval Titan
2 Trinket Mage
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
4 Repeal
4 Brainstorm
4 Crop Rotation
4 Show and Tell
4 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Candelabra of Tawnos
3 Expedition Map
Sideboard
4 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
This list comes from top 64 of SCG Worcester (recently).
Being a fan of blue-based tron decks (in Modern and in old Standard), I do like this deck a lot. You actually have inevitability versus any fair deck if they do not kill you quickly enough, the issue being getting enough Cloudposts in play.
Luckily, we have access to: 3 Expedition Map, 4 Primeval Titan and 2 Trinket Mages to assemble ALL THE POSTS in a fairly short time span.
We can also backdoor a Titan or Eldrazi on turn 3 via Show and Tell, although this is a much more dangerous route if our opponent happens to be OmniTell or even Reanimator or something similar.
I'm not sure what our matchups look like, but having 14 anti-combo cards in our sb sort of indicates that various types of combo decks are the worst matchup. I'm not sure Iona is the best choice (Isn't Chalice of the Void pretty good here?) since Iona relies on you assembling Show and Iona.
TinFins
1 Swamp
4 Marsh Flats
4 Polluted Delta
1 Scrubland
1 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
2 Children of Korlis
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Griselbrand
2 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Ritual
4 Entomb
3 Goryo's Vengeance
4 Shallow Grave
1 Silence
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
1 Reanimate
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Thoughtseize
Sideboard
2 Pithing Needle
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
1 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Pull from Eternity
2 Silence
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Massacre
This particular 'TinFins' list is from 3/3/2013 (SCG Las Vegas) played by Jacob 'Koby' Kory.
To the legacy neophyte, it's not 100% clear what this deck does.
Step 1: Get Griselbrand into the graveyard.
Step 2: Cast Shallow Grave, Goryo's Vengeance or Reanimate on Griselbrand.
Step 3: Draw 7, hopefully into Rituals/Petals/Chrome Moxen or a Children of Korlis. Use cantrips if necessary to continue, until you eventually find the Tendrils of Agony to kill them.
Amusingly, you can wipe your oppt's board on t3 or so if necessary with Entomb + Goryo's vengeance or Shallow Grave by Entombing for Emrakul and with the trigger on the stack, you cast Vengeance or SG attacking them and wiping their board.
You can also generate an arbitrarily large amount of storm if necessary by continually Entombing for Emrakul to shuffle your graveyard in (which I find particularly amusing since I do enjoy a good 'going infinite').
Some tricks for playing around hate:
Shallow Grave can play around 1 Deathrite Shaman pretty well (it reads: Return the top creature card of your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature gains haste until end of turn. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. ? MI-R,Reserved,Vin,Leg,Cla,MIBC).
So you let the Deathrite activation resolve, and Entomb again with the Shallow Grave on the stack.
Second, if you have enough mana, you can Goryo's Vengeance, watch them try to Deathrite it, then Goryo's again in response.
Honestly, the mtgsource thread has a metric ton of information on the deck for those of you who are interested in it which can be found here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?24104-TinFins-3-Return-of-the-Onion-Burst
posted by Jarvis Yu at 5:15 AM
2 Comments:
I remember messing around with 12post a while ago. This was when 4 Candelabra 1 Titan was standard. I was the first one to push for 4 Titan :)
My experiences were that Trinket Mage was really slow and getting colored mana was tough. I think I messed around with some kind of Mox Diamond package, and I think you can even fit in some Daze or Force if you work at it.
Titan just seems so great. Note that the post decks at the modern PT played the full boat of them as well, because a Titan implied killing your oppt within a 1 or 2 turn window.
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